. >> he wasn't talking about npr. >> ok. all public media. that's fine. but the idea is that you believe -- >> and that's a challenge. >> corporations are a good thing. they get people to accumulate wealth and then they risk it and they create jobs, which is what they want to do and they create strong communities. but, they should not be running our government. >> we don't elect corporations, we elect corporations. and the corporations want whatever they want, but ultimately it falls to the politicians to act in our interests or against our interests. but, i want to switch the conversation for the moment from the corporate side of this to the political side of this. you indict the entire system by saying that the politicians accept this money and then seek to dismantle the protections that we all deserve. is, is politics beyond fixing as far as that goes? >> well, there are two things that you need to do to fix the politiccl system. the most important thing is to fix the citizens united case. we lost democracy in this country in the 1880s and 1890s. peopl